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I am considering using either Sashco Transformation or Outlast Q8 Oil for our 1965 log home. Any recommendations or experience with either product?

Thank you,
Adam

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I have experience with Q8 and LOVE it.  I've used in on my log home for years and it is so easy to use and does a great job.  I also use their cleaner and their NBS-30 carpenter bee repellent.  All of their products are environmentally friendly.  It's a one coat application, does not leave lap marks, can be applied by brush or pump-up sprayer and cleans up with water.  For a DIY'er or professional, it's quick, easy and looks good when you're finished.  Not only is it a great water repellent and UV blocker, it also is a preservative.  You'll be amazed at how much it penetrates into the wood itself giving a long lasting finish.

Donald,
thank you for the reply. I've used the NBS previously with great results on the carpenter bees, which is why I'm leaning towards the Q8. With an older house, I'm also looking for the strong preservative qualities. Curious what type of caulking you have used that is compatible with this finish? I've been directed towards Sika 219 which I know is a great product, but want to make sure it works well with Q8.

Adam - I would call Barbara Murray at CTA (the maker of Q8 Log Oil) and ask her.  The building system I used (Appalachian Log Structures - which I also work for) does not have exposed caulk so I did not have to worry about matching colors.  Best of success to you and your project!  Before you put anything on your logs, make sure to read the surface preparation requirements that the manufacturer recommends.  The reason most products fail is due to improper application.  Most finishes require that if you are changing products from what is already on the log surface, that the old finish be removed entirely before applying the new product.

sika flex is a great caulk product, I used it on my home almost 30 years ago and if you remove window trim and expose the caulk it is still resilient and flexable, an expensive but worth it caulk

 

It has a fancy name.  I would stay away from it...  The price is probably mostly marketing.  Here's what it is made of:

mineral spirits - cheap

water - what the mineral spirits are hydrotreated with - cheap (hydro=water - Funny joke, huh?)

parrafin wax - extremely cheap

oxine copper - same stuff used to treat lumber from Home depot - cheap

I hope you are not paying $200/gtallon for it when you can make your own for less than half that (home made has no water in it - why people want to spray water on their house is a mystery)

Here's the recipe from the manufacturer:

http://www.logfinish.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Outlast-Q8-Log-...

P.S. I think Donald sells log home products...  See my "Dave's Cheap and Easy" to save money on your log home :-)

I highly recommend Q 8 also. I agree with Donald. 

Scott

Adam, my home was constructed in 2007. At that time, our log home supplier offered us a choice of WoodGuard (which is supposedly a similar formulation to Q8 Log Oil) or Sashco's Transformation stain. The supplier told us that the Transformation stain had been tested by an independent lab and yielded better results than WoodGuard. Being a techie, based on the "specs and results," I selected the Transformation stain - after all, it cost about 2.5 times what WoodGuard did, so pricier must mean it's better, right?

Well, that was the absolute WORST decision I have ever made in my life and I am still regretting selecting Transformation stain for my log home! Our home was stained by a firm that was "certified" through Sashco's "training school". TWO YEARS later it needed stained again. Two years after that, it needed staining again, and Two years after that it needed staining again! Those are not typos, this house has been stained FOUR TIMES IN SEVEN YEARS! No house should require that much finish maintenance, especially a new log home that was hose-washed down every year (not pressure washed) to get rid of any dirt on the house .

We observed that the Sashco Transformation stain yields a shiny surface but remains slightly "tacky". It also seems to attract dust better than a Swiffer, so be prepared to hose off your house a couple times a year if you don't get plenty of rainfall. It also grows black stains faster than you can say "wow," and  mildew/mold love it with a passion. We observed that it peels in areas exposed to the sun, especially window sills and frames. If you watch closely when it rains heavily, it will turn "milky colored" at the bottom dripline of the logs - I suspect that means it is likely hydroscopic (absorbs water).

The Transformation stain on our home looks terrible and my complaining has never yielded any meaningful response. So, since this product performed so poorly, we have been forced to have our entire beautiful log home and barn/kennel (which are also log) corncob blasted and will be restaining it with WoodGuard!

We know that we are not the only ones here in Pennsylvania and Ohio who have also had miserable results with Transformation stain as we see many log homes in the Pocono region that have had the same issue with it as we have had black stains, peeling, "eroded" finish areas, etc.

My recommendation, based on our observations and experience, is to stay as far away from the Transformation stain as you can...VERY FAR AWAY. Then select WoodGuard or Q8 Log Oil as they seem to yield far better results, cost far less and let the wood breathe, etc. Of course if you really want Transformation stain for some odd reason, I suggest setting aside about $35,000 as, if you are as unlucky as we were, you will need at least that amount to have your home cob-blasted and re-stained in about 8-10 years from now! And that price excludes the restaining it will need between now and then!!

Attached are some pictures of how Transformation stain performed on our home in northwestern Pennsylvania. The effects you see are on all four sides, so it is not the result of no sunlight on a specific side, etc.

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Thanks for the replies everyone. One last question regarding the Q8... With proper prep and application, does it leave a gloss finish?

Thanks
Adam

Hi Adam - No - it does not leave a gloss finish.  If you ask for some samples, you'll be able to test it out on your logs or other pieces of wood to see the type of product it is and what to expect.  If you like give us a call 800-280-2574 and request samples.  Donald

What is it made of, and how much does it cost?  Is it mostly marketing (probably yes) or mostly costly, effective ingredients (probably no)?

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